'Spiritual Awakening' w/Susan Grau on Connecting with the Unseen

Internationally renowned intuitive medium, author, and soul healer Susan Grau shares her journey of connecting with the unseen realm following a profound near-death experience at four and a half years old. She explains how early spirit visits shaped her life path, overcoming childhood shame, and ultimately embracing her calling to bridge the physical and spiritual worlds.

Susan discusses the deeply personal nature of grief, describing it as an individual journey through the Dark Night of the Soul. Drawing from personal tragedies and her extensive work with grieving clients, she highlights the importance of accepting grief rather than resisting it, noting how loss opens a pathway toward healing and self-discovery.

Reflecting on her book Infinite Life, Infinite Lessons, Susan highlights key spiritual lessons such as releasing limiting beliefs, cultivating self-love, and understanding life after death. She also details her experience as an evidential medium, offering comfort by reminding listeners that while human hearts may break, the soul remains eternally untouched and connected to spirit.

Key takeaways

• Grief is a deeply individual process that requires acceptance rather than resistance to foster genuine healing.
• Releasing limiting beliefs opens the doorway to perceiving and receiving authentic communication from loved ones in spirit.
• While human heart and mind can feel broken by trauma, the soul remains eternally undamaged and connected to spirit.
• Cultivating unconditional love involves distinguishing between human ego limitations and higher spiritual awareness.

Highlights

• 1:03 — Susan Grau recounts her early near-death experience
• 5:03 — Understanding grief as a singular soul journey
• 9:08 — Spiritual lessons from Infinite Life, Infinite Lessons
• 12:13 — The experience of delivering evidential mediumship
• 15:49 — Practicing unconditional love and protecting the soul

00:00:00 Introduction to Medium Susan Grau
00:01:03 A Childhood Near-Death Experience
00:04:30 Understanding the Unique Journey of Grief
00:09:01 Lessons from Infinite Life Infinite Lessons
00:12:13 Connecting with Messages from Spirit
00:15:13 Unconditional Love and Soul Wisdom

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