Dr. Richard Ireland with Jerry Conser

In this episode, Jerry Konzer, president of the Psychical Research Foundation, shares his extraordinary experiences working alongside the legendary psychic Dr. Richard Ireland. Jerry recounts how a series of accurate predictions led him to the oil business, where he successfully utilized Ireland's psychic abilities to locate major oil wells. This financial success allowed Jerry to fund decades of parapsychological research and eventually take the helm of the Psychical Research Foundation.

Jerry discusses the methodologies they developed to teach others how to unlock their own extra-sensory perception, emphasizing the challenge method and psychometry. He also details the fascinating mechanics behind Ireland's mediumship, including his communication with spirit guides and rare physical manifestation sessions involving ectoplasm.

The conversation also explores the scientific side of psychical research, covering the history of the Psychical Research Foundation, studies on recurrent spontaneous psychokinesis, and groundbreaking experiments attempting to weigh the soul during out-of-body experiences. Jerry advocates for a shift in the parapsychological community from merely proving the existence of psychic phenomena to deeply investigating the nature of consciousness itself.

Key takeaways

• Dr. Richard Ireland successfully used his psychic abilities to help Jerry Konzer locate highly productive oil wells, which funded future parapsychological research.
• The challenge method treats psychic ability like a muscle that grows stronger when constantly tested with everyday predictions.
• Scientific studies conducted by the Psychical Research Foundation suggest that some poltergeist activity is generated by living humans rather than discarnate spirits.
• Collaborative experiments with the Monroe Institute and Rhine Research Center showed a measurable increase in body weight during out-of-body experiences, suggesting the soul may have a buoyant physical property.
• The future of parapsychology lies in shifting research focus from proving psychic phenomena to understanding the fundamental nature of consciousness.

Highlights

• 1:15 — How Jerry met Dr. Richard Ireland
• 3:28 — Finding a 1,600-barrel-a-day oil well using psychic guidance
• 13:40 — Explaining the challenge method for developing ESP
• 19:55 — How Richard Ireland communicated with his spirit guides
• 37:36 — Researching poltergeists and recurrent spontaneous psychokinesis
• 48:03 — Eyewitness account of a spirit manifestation session
• 59:22 — Conducting scientific experiments to weigh the soul during OBEs

00:00:00 Introduction to Jerry Konzer and Richard Ireland
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00:05:41 The University of Life Church and Private Readings
00:09:56 Teaching ESP Workshops and Your Psychic Potential
00:13:40 The Challenge Method and Psychometry Experiments
00:18:19 Spirit Guides and Reincarnation
00:25:20 Out of Body Experiences and Ego Impediments
00:31:04 Searching for Modern Miracles and Spiritual Gifts
00:35:42 History of the Psychical Research Foundation
00:37:36 Poltergeists, RSPK, and Brainwave Patterns
00:48:03 Ectoplasm and Spirit Manifestation Sessions
00:59:22 Scientific Experiments Weighing the Soul
01:07:49 Shifting the Focus to Consciousness

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