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# "I Saw Myself Lying There" | Julia Fischer's Near Death Experience
- URL: https://famouspsychicmediums.com/episodes/i-saw-myself-lying-there-julia-fischers-near-death-experience/
- Published: 2020-05-07T22:00:19.000Z
- Updated: 2026-10-10T18:58:08.000Z
- Description: At age six, Julia Fischer suffered a cerebral hemorrhage and experienced an out-of-body journey filled with profound silence, light, and a choice to return. In this interview, she shares how that near-death experience reshaped her understanding of life, death, and energy.
- Author: Angie Li
- Tags: NDE, Science

At six years old, Julia Fischer suffered a sudden cerebral hemorrhage that placed her in intensive care for two weeks. During this critical time, she experienced a remarkable near-death event where she felt detached from her physical body, floating two meters above her hospital bed and observing the doctors and medical equipment in complete silence and weightlessness.

Drawn toward a doorway filled with a unique blue and white light, Julia heard a gentle voice asking if she wished to leave. Thought of her parents instantly anchored her, pulling her back into her body. Keeping the experience to herself for two years to protect her shocked parents, she eventually shared her story, embarking on an early spiritual path focused on understanding soul purpose and life's deeper meaning.

Today, Julia views death not with fear, but as a gateway to our true spiritual greatness. The near-death experience left her with a heightened energetic sensitivity, allowing her to sense others' genuine feelings and energies—a gift she now integrates into her work with kinesiology and spiritual healing.

### Key takeaways

- Julia Fischer experienced a near-death event at age six following a sudden cerebral hemorrhage.
- She observed her physical body from above in total silence, feeling light and detached from form.
- Drawn toward a luminous blue-white doorway, she chose to return after thinking of her parents.
- Communication in the spiritual realm occurred through pure thought rather than spoken words.
- The experience removed her fear of death and resulted in a lifelong heightened sensitivity to human energies.

### Highlights

- 1:36 — Floating above her physical body
- 4:40 — Experiencing absolute silence and weightlessness
- 5:22 — Approaching the luminous blue and white light
- 6:25 — Hearing a voice offering the choice to leave
- 7:33 — Feeling safe and deciding to return
- 10:46 — Reinterpreting the fear of death and immortality
- 13:38 — Developing heightened energetic sensitivity

```chapters
00:00:00 Slipped Out of Her Body
00:00:41 A Brain Hemorrhage at Age Six
00:01:36 Looking Down From Two Meters Above
00:04:40 Experience of Silence and Weightlessness
00:05:22 Moving Toward the Luminous Light
00:06:25 A Voice Asks a Life-Changing Question
00:07:33 Choosing to Return for Her Parents
00:08:59 Processing and Telling Her Mother
00:10:46 Losing the Fear of Death
00:11:30 Exploring Spiritual Meaning and Life Purpose
00:13:38 Heightened Sensitivity to Human Energy
00:15:02 Integrating Spirituality into Her Career
```

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